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Dr. David Katz, the founding director of the Yale-Griffin Prevention Research Center in Connecticut, has warned that while social distancing is helping to mitigate the spread of the coronavirus, it is also preventing the development of the "herd immunity" needed by the public to resume their normal lives before a vaccine is developed.


Katz cited the case of some Asian nations who appeared to stop the spread with lockdown-style mitigation strategies, only to see an increase in cases once restrictions were relaxed.

"That's what will happen if you lock everybody away from everybody else and kind of wait until things get better and then let everybody out into the world," Katz told "Life, Liberty & Levin" in an interview airing Sunday.

"The virus is still out there," Katz added. "We don't have antibodies. We'll just get it later."

Katz and host Mark Levin discussed the concept of "herd immunity," essentially collective resistance to a virus built up by people moving about, becoming infected, and recovering -- thereby naturally developing antibodies to inhibit further spreading the virus among the population.

As an example of herd immunity, Katz told Levin that if the doctor developed antibodies but Levin did not because he was not part of the "herd," he could not contract the virus from Katz because the doctor doesn't have it.

"f all you do is flatten the curve, you don't prevent deaths or severe cases. You just change the dates. We don't want to do that," said Katz.

Katz said the only two options for staving off coronavirus for the foreseeable future are herd immunity or a vaccine. Scientists say a vaccine could be a year or more away, while President Trump, businessmen, economists and many out-of-work Americans fear the U.S. economy may never recover from an entire year of stagnation and unemployment.

If enough of the population were to develop antibodies and the process repeated itself exponentially, Katz explained, it would create innumerable "dead ends" that stop the virus from spreading.

"It finds it harder to get to a host where it can survive and it dies out," the doctor said of the virus. "That's herd immunity."

"The numbers of us that need to have antibodies vary with the properties of a given contagion," he added. "And we're learning what the properties of this particular contagion are. That also needs to come from data."

Giving another example, Katz told Levin that if he were immune to coronavirus, he would be able to visit his elderly mother without worrying about contracting COVID-19.

"My mother doesn't want to get coronavirus and die [but] she also doesn't want to die of something else before ever again being able to hug her grandchildren because she's still waiting for a vaccine," Katz said. "Herd immunity gives us [a] much more proximal way to get back to life in the world as we knew it."




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Foxnews/nypost everytime.


But was thinking about this concept yesterday.



Even if we do get a vaccine. Don’t we have a ton of right wing extremist whackos who will refuse to get it?

So how does it really ever go away? Not completely due to those idiots
 

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Foxnews/nypost everytime.


But was thinking about this concept yesterday.



Even if we do get a vaccine. Don’t we have a ton of right wing extremist whackos who will refuse to get it?

So how does it really ever go away? Not completely due to those idiots

Herd immunity is much more likely. They believe the vaccine is almost 1.5 - 2 years away I believe. You staying locked away for two years?
 
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Herd immunity is much more likely. They believe the vaccine is almost 1.5 - 2 years away I believe. You staying locked away for two years?


Ive already made a personal decision for July.


If their is a 2nd or 3rd cycle, a vaccine will be necessary. And we have a lot of people refusing to get them.


Or even if it was ready tomorrow. My statement still stands. We will have tons of right wing conspiracy theorist extremist whackos refusing to get it. Yes or no?
 
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"f all you do is flatten the curve, you don't prevent deaths or severe cases. You just change the dates. We don't want to do that," said Katz.


Without the economic shutdown there would have been many more deaths. Why? Because many hospitals would have been overwhelmed & they wouldn't have been able to handle all the non COVID-19 emergency cases in addition to all the COVID-19 emergency cases. Then doctors, as in Italy, have had to choose between who lives & who dies. Many thousands more would have died.

Without the shutdown many more would have become sick at the same time. That would have led to many businesses shutting down anyway. And many of their customers would have stayed at home, anyway, leading to even more business closures.

As things are going, there is much "herd immunity" already being built up. As many economies are now beginning to gradually open, or about to do so within the next few weeks, the "herd immunity" will slowly & properly be built up even more, so that hospitals & such are not overwhelmed.
 

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Ive already made a personal decision for July.


If their is a 2nd or 3rd cycle, a vaccine will be necessary. And we have a lot of people refusing to get them.


Or even if it was ready tomorrow. My statement still stands. We will have tons of right wing conspiracy theorist extremist whackos refusing to get it. Yes or no?
Anti-vaxxers are more left leaning to be honest. You have the choice to protect yourself and that is what matters most. I do believe most would get it
 
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Ive already made a personal decision for July.


If their is a 2nd or 3rd cycle, a vaccine will be necessary. And we have a lot of people refusing to get them.


Or even if it was ready tomorrow. My statement still stands. We will have tons of right wing conspiracy theorist extremist whackos refusing to get it. Yes or no?

Since when did a vaccine become a right / left wing thing?
 

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More people have, were already exposed to this and already have antibodies than you think.

This virus was here in the U.S. long before anything was going on and being talked about.

Vaccine is pretty useless like many vaccines. Especially with Bill Gates, Fauci, etc involved
Yes, I will pass on that vaccine and most for that matter.

It is the Ostrich's like MobD and their ilk who are ill informed and mock you if you are informed and do not want that in your body
 

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We can only hope that all the MobDsters of the world get the virus & parish thus making this a better world with less cancer, hate, & vennum spreading around every few seconds DUMFABIH
 
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Anti-vaxxers are more left leaning to be honest. You have the choice to protect yourself and that is what matters most. I do believe most would get it


Really? Lots of right wing extremists here don’t believe that this thing exists. Have also seen people HERE literally say they wouldn’t get a vaccine. Lmfaoooo


Someone in this thread.



So.....I’m sure there are democrats who do think it gives our kids Down syndrome and whatever else they say. But I’m going off of what I have seen here

THIS will be worse and it won’t just be the anti vaxxers.

If you guys don’t even believe in the virus then why would you get a vaccine???
 

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We can only hope that all the MobDsters of the world get the virus & parish thus making this a better world with less cancer, hate, & vennum spreading around every few seconds DUMFABIH

Addition by subtaction. Can't fix ignorant

A well placed bullet would also do the trick...
 
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If it’s all media hysteria. Why would you get a vaccine?


There’s only two answers to that...... either A. You’re not going to get a vaccine. Or B. You are and you’re just talking shit here because you’re bored

Its okay to pick B. Just don’t try to act like you’re right about this shit when common sense says different
 

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A treatment that works and could be scaled out is the best option. Maybe it will come in 2 weeks or 3-4 months, who knows. But everyone in the world is working on nothing else besides this problem right now so I am optimistic on that timeline.

Going to be tons of miracle drugs hailed as the cure and this whole thing is "over" every single time between now and then though. We've already seen that.
 

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If it’s all media hysteria. Why would you get a vaccine?


There’s only two answers to that...... either A. You’re not going to get a vaccine. Or B. You are and you’re just talking shit here because you’re bored

Its okay to pick B. Just don’t try to act like you’re right about this shit when common sense says different

I love how your present your "OPINION" as a fact when it is just your opinion and that is all it is.

You act like you are a know it all and what you saw is the gospel.
Dude, you are not that important.

Just rude and ignorant to put people down with what is your opinion

No class, plain and simple

i truly hope you do not act like this in person...
 
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I love how your present your "OPINION" as a fact when it is just your opinion and that is all it is.

You act like you are a know it all and what you saw is the gospel.
Dude, you are not that important.

Just rude and ignorant to put people down with what is your opinion

No class, plain and simple

i truly hope you do not act like this in person...

The most incapable people I know are on one forum. Here. So I don’t need to act like this in person or anywhere else.


It is fact though. There’s only two options....you either get the vaccine or you don’t.

My question is....if you don’t believe in the actual virus here, and it’s all a media hoax....and the numbers are all over reported.....then why the fuck would you do anything? Why would you get a vaccine?


What’s opinionated about asking that? Based on the posts I’ve read here, it’s 10000000000% a legitimate question
 

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